Discussion:
RCM Plans Service still operating or has everything shut down.
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byrocat
2005-10-14 14:28:42 UTC
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No comments about what happened (a shame but it's a business at the
root).

Are they still taking orders and shipping plans?
Mr Akimoto
2005-10-14 18:16:49 UTC
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I keep wondering why it's a shame that RCM went out of business? They
didn't change with the times to meet the needs of the modern modeler
who likely isn't into gluing pieces of balsa together. Those who have
such arcane interests are a dying breed any way, and it isn't like they
are really being left high and dry without any plan services. There are
still plenty of plans available from places like Cleveland Models.

Also I wonder why any old time modeler would need a plan service? You'd
think they they'd acquire the knowledge and develop the ability to
design and build without specifications.

Ciao,

Mr Akimoto
Ima Heinemann
2005-10-14 19:30:22 UTC
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Post by Mr Akimoto
I keep wondering why it's a shame that RCM went out of business? They
didn't change with the times to meet the needs of the modern modeler
who likely isn't into gluing pieces of balsa together. Those who have
such arcane interests are a dying breed any way, and it isn't like they
are really being left high and dry without any plan services. There are
still plenty of plans available from places like Cleveland Models.
Also I wonder why any old time modeler would need a plan service? You'd
think they they'd acquire the knowledge and develop the ability to
design and build without specifications.
Ciao,
Mr Akimoto
Sometimes older individuals like to attempt to relive their past by building
old favorite models from plans.

There are many more of we older/arcane types than you might believe.
Granted, lots of us assemble (not build) and fly ARFs these days, but we
still glue a few sticks together now and then.

I am sure that someone will make those plans available again. Why? There is
money to be made, that is why.

After the current generation of youngsters gets a little older and quits
flying altogether, the next generation will consider the previous
generation's ARFs and RTFs stupid and uncool. All that will be left will be
the real modelers (all ages) that just love to build and fly.

Ed Cregger
Fubar of The HillPeople
2005-10-15 00:33:52 UTC
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Some of us are not old timers yet but run into articles and or hear about
some plane that looks interesting.
In my case I had heard about converting the Super Sportster 40 kit to a twin
engine. I bought the set of plans and instructions for the conversion just
this past year from RCM.
--
Dan
AMA605992
KE6ERB
http://www.fubar1.net
"I've heard the screams of the vegetables..."
Take out the "trash" to reply
Post by Ima Heinemann
Post by Mr Akimoto
I keep wondering why it's a shame that RCM went out of business? They
didn't change with the times to meet the needs of the modern modeler
who likely isn't into gluing pieces of balsa together. Those who have
such arcane interests are a dying breed any way, and it isn't like they
are really being left high and dry without any plan services. There are
still plenty of plans available from places like Cleveland Models.
Also I wonder why any old time modeler would need a plan service? You'd
think they they'd acquire the knowledge and develop the ability to
design and build without specifications.
Ciao,
Mr Akimoto
Sometimes older individuals like to attempt to relive their past by
building old favorite models from plans.
There are many more of we older/arcane types than you might believe.
Granted, lots of us assemble (not build) and fly ARFs these days, but we
still glue a few sticks together now and then.
I am sure that someone will make those plans available again. Why? There
is money to be made, that is why.
After the current generation of youngsters gets a little older and quits
flying altogether, the next generation will consider the previous
generation's ARFs and RTFs stupid and uncool. All that will be left will
be the real modelers (all ages) that just love to build and fly.
Ed Cregger
Paul McIntosh
2005-10-15 05:38:08 UTC
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Count me in the arcane group! I prefer to design and build my own. They
fly better and I know how they were built! On the drawing board (Actually,
computer screen) lately is an unique approach to light weigh foam core
wings. I hope to approach the weight of a balsa built up with mostly foam.
--
Paul McIntosh
RC-Bearings.com
"when steel just isn't enough"
Post by Ima Heinemann
Post by Mr Akimoto
I keep wondering why it's a shame that RCM went out of business? They
didn't change with the times to meet the needs of the modern modeler
who likely isn't into gluing pieces of balsa together. Those who have
such arcane interests are a dying breed any way, and it isn't like they
are really being left high and dry without any plan services. There are
still plenty of plans available from places like Cleveland Models.
Also I wonder why any old time modeler would need a plan service? You'd
think they they'd acquire the knowledge and develop the ability to
design and build without specifications.
Ciao,
Mr Akimoto
Sometimes older individuals like to attempt to relive their past by
building old favorite models from plans.
There are many more of we older/arcane types than you might believe.
Granted, lots of us assemble (not build) and fly ARFs these days, but we
still glue a few sticks together now and then.
I am sure that someone will make those plans available again. Why? There
is money to be made, that is why.
After the current generation of youngsters gets a little older and quits
flying altogether, the next generation will consider the previous
generation's ARFs and RTFs stupid and uncool. All that will be left will
be the real modelers (all ages) that just love to build and fly.
Ed Cregger
Don Bowey
2005-10-14 22:21:05 UTC
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On 10/14/05 11:16 AM, in article
Post by Mr Akimoto
I keep wondering why it's a shame that RCM went out of business? They
didn't change with the times to meet the needs of the modern modeler
who likely isn't into gluing pieces of balsa together. Those who have
such arcane interests are a dying breed any way, and it isn't like they
are really being left high and dry without any plan services. There are
still plenty of plans available from places like Cleveland Models.
Also I wonder why any old time modeler would need a plan service? You'd
think they they'd acquire the knowledge and develop the ability to
design and build without specifications.
Ciao,
Mr Akimoto
You are a clueless waste of bandwidth.
David Bacque
2005-10-14 23:58:41 UTC
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Post by Mr Akimoto
I keep wondering why it's a shame that RCM went out of business? They
didn't change with the times to meet the needs of the modern modeler
who likely isn't into gluing pieces of balsa together. Those who have
such arcane interests are a dying breed any way, and it isn't like they
are really being left high and dry without any plan services. There are
still plenty of plans available from places like Cleveland Models.
Also I wonder why any old time modeler would need a plan service? You'd
think they they'd acquire the knowledge and develop the ability to
design and build without specifications.
Ciao,
Mr Akimoto
If you don't build, you're not a modeler. Nothing against those who only
want to fly, but they're fliers, not modelers. Why should anyone who flies
have anything against those who build?

You should be glad that there are people out there who have such arcane
interests as gluing pieces of balsa together. Who else are you going to buy
your planes from?

Real modelers have planes that people like you can only dream of.

Dave
Ed Paasch
2005-10-15 01:52:12 UTC
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Post by David Bacque
Post by Mr Akimoto
Also I wonder why any old time modeler would need a plan service? You'd
think they they'd acquire the knowledge and develop the ability to
design and build without specifications.
Ciao,
Mr Akimoto
If you don't build, you're not a modeler. Nothing against those who only
want to fly, but they're fliers, not modelers. Why should anyone who
flies have anything against those who build?
You should be glad that there are people out there who have such arcane
interests as gluing pieces of balsa together. Who else are you going to
buy your planes from?
Real modelers have planes that people like you can only dream of.
Dave
I'm certain we'd all be jealous of Mr. Akimoto's extensive collection of
expertly built Duraplanes if we were ever privileged enough to gaze upon
them!
Mr Akimoto
2005-10-15 18:44:01 UTC
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Well Ed I also have a H9 US 40 with seven lovely servos and a Futaba 9C
radio to keep me expertly busy; however, I love to fly my T-40. I view
the T-40 as the basic abstraction of an aircraft/airframe, and I love
to irritate all the old balsa guys with their fancy high falootin' U
Can Doskis or Edgies whatever number. With a simple basic plane I can
fly circles around all of them. If I did the same with the US 40,
they'd accuse me of using an an advanced aircraft.

No I don't like to build, but then in the Navy, I didn't do the repairs
or maintenance on the aircraft I flew. If I had to do much more than
climb into the cockpit, I'd have asked for a discharge. As for
pictures, If you have seen one, then you have seen all!

Ciao,

Mr Akimoto
St. John Smythe
2005-10-15 19:20:03 UTC
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Post by Mr Akimoto
No I don't like to build, but then in the Navy, I didn't do the repairs
or maintenance on the aircraft I flew. If I had to do much more than
climb into the cockpit, I'd have asked for a discharge.
<cough>bullshit<cough> A Naval Aviator doesn't ask for a discharge; he
resigns his commission.

What's the first thing you do before climbing into a T-34 cockpit?
Ken Day
2005-10-16 06:06:09 UTC
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On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:20:03 GMT, "St. John Smythe"
Post by St. John Smythe
Post by Mr Akimoto
No I don't like to build, but then in the Navy, I didn't do the repairs
or maintenance on the aircraft I flew. If I had to do much more than
climb into the cockpit, I'd have asked for a discharge.
<cough>bullshit<cough> A Naval Aviator doesn't ask for a discharge; he
resigns his commission.
What's the first thing you do before climbing into a T-34 cockpit?
I would also like to see Mr Akimoto answer that. I don't think he was
a pilot.
I asked him some flight related questions a while back and he
completely avoided me.

Ken Day
Paul McIntosh
2005-10-16 07:07:19 UTC
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Yea, he kinda pegs the BS meter a few times!
--
Paul McIntosh
RC-Bearings.com
"when steel just isn't enough"
Post by Ken Day
On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:20:03 GMT, "St. John Smythe"
Post by St. John Smythe
Post by Mr Akimoto
No I don't like to build, but then in the Navy, I didn't do the repairs
or maintenance on the aircraft I flew. If I had to do much more than
climb into the cockpit, I'd have asked for a discharge.
<cough>bullshit<cough> A Naval Aviator doesn't ask for a discharge; he
resigns his commission.
What's the first thing you do before climbing into a T-34 cockpit?
I would also like to see Mr Akimoto answer that. I don't think he was
a pilot.
I asked him some flight related questions a while back and he
completely avoided me.
Ken Day
David Bacque
2005-10-16 18:51:17 UTC
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Post by St. John Smythe
Post by Mr Akimoto
No I don't like to build, but then in the Navy, I didn't do the repairs
or maintenance on the aircraft I flew. If I had to do much more than
climb into the cockpit, I'd have asked for a discharge.
<cough>bullshit<cough> A Naval Aviator doesn't ask for a discharge; he
resigns his commission.
What's the first thing you do before climbing into a T-34 cockpit?
In the case of "Mr" Akimoto, the first thing that pimply faced teenager
would do is to ask "Mommieeee, can I see the airplaaaane?"

Dave
Black Cloud
2005-10-15 21:40:06 UTC
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Post by Mr Akimoto
Well Ed I also have a H9 US 40 with seven lovely servos and a Futaba 9C
radio to keep me expertly busy; however, I love to fly my T-40. I view
the T-40 as the basic abstraction of an aircraft/airframe, and I love
to irritate all the old balsa guys with their fancy high falootin' U
Can Doskis or Edgies whatever number. With a simple basic plane I can
fly circles around all of them. If I did the same with the US 40,
they'd accuse me of using an an advanced aircraft.
No I don't like to build, but then in the Navy, I didn't do the repairs
or maintenance on the aircraft I flew. If I had to do much more than
climb into the cockpit, I'd have asked for a discharge. As for
pictures, If you have seen one, then you have seen all!
Ciao,
Mr Akimoto
You must be a former P3 pilot. You definitly have the frustrated figher
jock mentality. Glad you're no longer in My Navy!!
Chuck Jones
2005-10-16 10:27:45 UTC
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Post by Black Cloud
Post by Mr Akimoto
Mr Akimoto
You must be a former P3 pilot. You definitly have the frustrated figher
jock mentality. Glad you're no longer in My Navy!!
I personally doubt he ever was in the navy. Or if he was, it was as Cabin
Boy!
Stefan Pettersen
2005-10-15 22:20:10 UTC
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Post by Mr Akimoto
No I don't like to build, but then in the Navy, I didn't do the repairs
or maintenance on the aircraft I flew. If I had to do much more than
climb into the cockpit, I'd have asked for a discharge. As for
pictures, If you have seen one, then you have seen all!
Ciao,
Mr Akimoto
This man has some issues...
Stefan Pettersen
2005-10-15 22:23:27 UTC
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Post by Mr Akimoto
No I don't like to build, but then in the Navy, I didn't do the repairs
or maintenance on the aircraft I flew. If I had to do much more than
climb into the cockpit, I'd have asked for a discharge. As for
pictures, If you have seen one, then you have seen all!
Ciao,
Mr Akimoto
Oh.. by the way.. Since you are accustomed to just climbing into your
cockpit, do you have a ground crew to refuel your T-40 or do you degrade
yourself by doing it yourself?
Ed Cregger
2005-10-16 16:16:30 UTC
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Post by Mr Akimoto
Well Ed I also have a H9 US 40 with seven lovely servos and a Futaba 9C
radio to keep me expertly busy; however, I love to fly my T-40. I view
the T-40 as the basic abstraction of an aircraft/airframe, and I love
to irritate all the old balsa guys with their fancy high falootin' U
Can Doskis or Edgies whatever number. With a simple basic plane I can
fly circles around all of them. If I did the same with the US 40,
they'd accuse me of using an an advanced aircraft.
No I don't like to build, but then in the Navy, I didn't do the repairs
or maintenance on the aircraft I flew. If I had to do much more than
climb into the cockpit, I'd have asked for a discharge. As for
pictures, If you have seen one, then you have seen all!
Ciao,
Mr Akimoto
I don't have just modelers for friends, Mr. Akimoto. I try to treat everyone
with respect, whether they deserve it or not. It's a personal thing with me.

If someone is at the field flying ARFs or RTFs, I treat them just the same
as someone that builds all of their own models from scratch. After all, we
are all people, regardless of our income, education, racial/ethnic
background, etc.

What some folks don't care for, me included, is unnecessary berating of
others or their efforts. Also, someone that comes off like a know-it-all
blowhard is not pleasant to be around or associate with. It isn't your
selection of models that draws so much fire for you, it is your snotty
attitude. There is no reason for it. It isn't justified, regardless of what
you may (or may not) have done in the past.

One day, you too will be an "old guy", assuming that someone doesn't choke
you to death first (probably another young guy). You will then see how silly
all of this time that you have spent, attempting to get the "old guys" goat,
truly has been. Of course, there will be other young, smart-assed,
replacements of yourself by then, and you will have the opportunity of
laughing at their childish efforts.

I realize that my explanation is pointless, because you are intentionally
trolling in an attempt to draw fire. But at least I feel that I have done my
part by offering you an explanation. Trying to educate young guys is one of
the old guys' jobs, so no time lost here. <G>

Ed Cregger
Mr Akimoto
2005-10-16 19:09:48 UTC
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Ed:

I spent thirty years in the Navy and an additional ten years as a test
pilot for a contractor. Unfortunately, I too am also headed for old
geezer status, but I'm younger at heart than anyone on this forum
including you.

Also it is very nice of you to tolerate the ARF or RTF guys at your
field. I bet everyone loves your condescending attitude. Let's face it
just because you're an old geezer you expect younger people to respect
you for your age, wisdom, knowledge, or whatever quality you think you
have. It won't happen. The younger guy doesn't give a damn about
anything other than himself.

Well you're wrong. When I was a military pilot, every younger fellow
coming aboard was aiming to replace me or get ahead of me. I know that
none or very few of you were in the military and if so, were enlisted.
Being a Naval Aviator was a very tough profession and every performance
review was an opportunity to get booted out of the service. Sometimes I
have regrets about having spent 30 years in the Navy, and I often
wonder how I found the energy and courage to endure the struggle!

Finally regarding attitudes, you and the rest of the people on this
forum have plenty of it too. You had better look within yourselves,
because all of you could use a vast amount of personal improvement.
Also, I know why I get your goat(s). Most of you have such poor self
images that just about any one with a differing point of view would be
threatening.

Ciao,

Mr Akimoto
St. John Smythe
2005-10-16 19:50:24 UTC
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Post by Mr Akimoto
I know that
none or very few of you were in the military and if so, were enlisted.
And that's a problem to you why, exactly?
--
(LTJG) St. John Smythe
Retired
Noah Little
2005-10-16 20:00:04 UTC
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Post by Mr Akimoto
Well you're wrong. When I was a military pilot, every younger fellow
coming aboard was aiming to replace me or get ahead of me. I know that
none or very few of you were in the military and if so, were enlisted.
You don't know jack.
1) It's irrelevant
2) there are plenty of ex-military officers on here, as if it matters
3) no military officer of my acquaintence would ever use someone's
enlisted status in a deprecatory manner.

The closest you ever got to being a Naval Aviator was when you attended
an air show.
--
Noah
Bill Sheppard
2005-10-16 20:19:47 UTC
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I still believe this turkey is a cracker with an anti-Japanese bias,
using a very clever gambit to make Japanese look bad.

Bill(oc)
Ed Cregger
2005-10-16 21:23:43 UTC
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Post by Bill Sheppard
I still believe this turkey is a cracker with an anti-Japanese bias,
using a very clever gambit to make Japanese look bad.
Bill(oc)
Just as I do not judge all Americans on the basis of one individual, nor do
I judge all Japanese. He's just trying to stir up emotions. I'm done with
him, at least until he changes his ways.

Ed Cregger
Chuck Jones
2005-10-17 21:11:28 UTC
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I think he's simply a Dip Shit!
Post by Bill Sheppard
I still believe this turkey is a cracker with an anti-Japanese bias,
using a very clever gambit to make Japanese look bad.
Bill(oc)
Paul McIntosh
2005-10-16 21:50:57 UTC
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Dream on, swabbie!
--
Paul McIntosh
RC-Bearings.com
"when steel just isn't enough"
Post by Mr Akimoto
I spent thirty years in the Navy and an additional ten years as a test
pilot for a contractor. Unfortunately, I too am also headed for old
geezer status, but I'm younger at heart than anyone on this forum
including you.
Also it is very nice of you to tolerate the ARF or RTF guys at your
field. I bet everyone loves your condescending attitude. Let's face it
just because you're an old geezer you expect younger people to respect
you for your age, wisdom, knowledge, or whatever quality you think you
have. It won't happen. The younger guy doesn't give a damn about
anything other than himself.
Well you're wrong. When I was a military pilot, every younger fellow
coming aboard was aiming to replace me or get ahead of me. I know that
none or very few of you were in the military and if so, were enlisted.
Being a Naval Aviator was a very tough profession and every performance
review was an opportunity to get booted out of the service. Sometimes I
have regrets about having spent 30 years in the Navy, and I often
wonder how I found the energy and courage to endure the struggle!
Finally regarding attitudes, you and the rest of the people on this
forum have plenty of it too. You had better look within yourselves,
because all of you could use a vast amount of personal improvement.
Also, I know why I get your goat(s). Most of you have such poor self
images that just about any one with a differing point of view would be
threatening.
Ciao,
Mr Akimoto
Chuck Jones
2005-10-17 21:10:45 UTC
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Let's see now! Claiming 30 as a Navy pilot followed by 10 as a contractor
starts you in the early 60's. And with your attitude towards enlisted? No
way would you have made it back to the ship every time! Let alone 30 years.

You're a lying sack of BS
Post by Mr Akimoto
I spent thirty years in the Navy and an additional ten years as a test
pilot for a contractor. Unfortunately, I too am also headed for old
geezer status, but I'm younger at heart than anyone on this forum
including you.
Also it is very nice of you to tolerate the ARF or RTF guys at your
field. I bet everyone loves your condescending attitude. Let's face it
just because you're an old geezer you expect younger people to respect
you for your age, wisdom, knowledge, or whatever quality you think you
have. It won't happen. The younger guy doesn't give a damn about
anything other than himself.
Well you're wrong. When I was a military pilot, every younger fellow
coming aboard was aiming to replace me or get ahead of me. I know that
none or very few of you were in the military and if so, were enlisted.
Being a Naval Aviator was a very tough profession and every performance
review was an opportunity to get booted out of the service. Sometimes I
have regrets about having spent 30 years in the Navy, and I often
wonder how I found the energy and courage to endure the struggle!
Finally regarding attitudes, you and the rest of the people on this
forum have plenty of it too. You had better look within yourselves,
because all of you could use a vast amount of personal improvement.
Also, I know why I get your goat(s). Most of you have such poor self
images that just about any one with a differing point of view would be
threatening.
Ciao,
Mr Akimoto
Paul McIntosh
2005-10-18 02:41:30 UTC
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Yea, not too many still flying anything other than cargo at age 50! Reminds
me of the rubber dog sh*t from Top Gun!
--
Paul McIntosh
RC-Bearings.com
"when steel just isn't enough"
Post by Chuck Jones
Let's see now! Claiming 30 as a Navy pilot followed by 10 as a contractor
starts you in the early 60's. And with your attitude towards enlisted?
No way would you have made it back to the ship every time! Let alone 30
years.
You're a lying sack of BS
Post by Mr Akimoto
I spent thirty years in the Navy and an additional ten years as a test
pilot for a contractor. Unfortunately, I too am also headed for old
geezer status, but I'm younger at heart than anyone on this forum
including you.
Also it is very nice of you to tolerate the ARF or RTF guys at your
field. I bet everyone loves your condescending attitude. Let's face it
just because you're an old geezer you expect younger people to respect
you for your age, wisdom, knowledge, or whatever quality you think you
have. It won't happen. The younger guy doesn't give a damn about
anything other than himself.
Well you're wrong. When I was a military pilot, every younger fellow
coming aboard was aiming to replace me or get ahead of me. I know that
none or very few of you were in the military and if so, were enlisted.
Being a Naval Aviator was a very tough profession and every performance
review was an opportunity to get booted out of the service. Sometimes I
have regrets about having spent 30 years in the Navy, and I often
wonder how I found the energy and courage to endure the struggle!
Finally regarding attitudes, you and the rest of the people on this
forum have plenty of it too. You had better look within yourselves,
because all of you could use a vast amount of personal improvement.
Also, I know why I get your goat(s). Most of you have such poor self
images that just about any one with a differing point of view would be
threatening.
Ciao,
Mr Akimoto
Chuck Jones
2005-10-18 09:28:37 UTC
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My point was he started flying during Nam. And with his attitude towards
enlisted, i.e. the crowd that packs his chute and maintains his plane, he
would have been the proud recipient of the Navy's version of the frag!
Post by Paul McIntosh
Yea, not too many still flying anything other than cargo at age 50!
Reminds me of the rubber dog sh*t from Top Gun!
--
Paul McIntosh
RC-Bearings.com
"when steel just isn't enough"
Post by Chuck Jones
Let's see now! Claiming 30 as a Navy pilot followed by 10 as a
contractor starts you in the early 60's. And with your attitude towards
enlisted? No way would you have made it back to the ship every time! Let
alone 30 years.
You're a lying sack of BS
Post by Mr Akimoto
I spent thirty years in the Navy and an additional ten years as a test
pilot for a contractor. Unfortunately, I too am also headed for old
geezer status, but I'm younger at heart than anyone on this forum
including you.
Also it is very nice of you to tolerate the ARF or RTF guys at your
field. I bet everyone loves your condescending attitude. Let's face it
just because you're an old geezer you expect younger people to respect
you for your age, wisdom, knowledge, or whatever quality you think you
have. It won't happen. The younger guy doesn't give a damn about
anything other than himself.
Well you're wrong. When I was a military pilot, every younger fellow
coming aboard was aiming to replace me or get ahead of me. I know that
none or very few of you were in the military and if so, were enlisted.
Being a Naval Aviator was a very tough profession and every performance
review was an opportunity to get booted out of the service. Sometimes I
have regrets about having spent 30 years in the Navy, and I often
wonder how I found the energy and courage to endure the struggle!
Finally regarding attitudes, you and the rest of the people on this
forum have plenty of it too. You had better look within yourselves,
because all of you could use a vast amount of personal improvement.
Also, I know why I get your goat(s). Most of you have such poor self
images that just about any one with a differing point of view would be
threatening.
Ciao,
Mr Akimoto
Paul McIntosh
2005-10-18 13:10:24 UTC
Permalink
Very true. He would also have earned a lot of disrespect from his "fellow"
aviators with that kind of attitude.
--
Paul McIntosh
RC-Bearings.com
"when steel just isn't enough"
Post by Chuck Jones
My point was he started flying during Nam. And with his attitude towards
enlisted, i.e. the crowd that packs his chute and maintains his plane, he
would have been the proud recipient of the Navy's version of the frag!
Post by Paul McIntosh
Yea, not too many still flying anything other than cargo at age 50!
Reminds me of the rubber dog sh*t from Top Gun!
--
Paul McIntosh
RC-Bearings.com
"when steel just isn't enough"
Post by Chuck Jones
Let's see now! Claiming 30 as a Navy pilot followed by 10 as a
contractor starts you in the early 60's. And with your attitude towards
enlisted? No way would you have made it back to the ship every time!
Let alone 30 years.
You're a lying sack of BS
Post by Mr Akimoto
I spent thirty years in the Navy and an additional ten years as a test
pilot for a contractor. Unfortunately, I too am also headed for old
geezer status, but I'm younger at heart than anyone on this forum
including you.
Also it is very nice of you to tolerate the ARF or RTF guys at your
field. I bet everyone loves your condescending attitude. Let's face it
just because you're an old geezer you expect younger people to respect
you for your age, wisdom, knowledge, or whatever quality you think you
have. It won't happen. The younger guy doesn't give a damn about
anything other than himself.
Well you're wrong. When I was a military pilot, every younger fellow
coming aboard was aiming to replace me or get ahead of me. I know that
none or very few of you were in the military and if so, were enlisted.
Being a Naval Aviator was a very tough profession and every performance
review was an opportunity to get booted out of the service. Sometimes I
have regrets about having spent 30 years in the Navy, and I often
wonder how I found the energy and courage to endure the struggle!
Finally regarding attitudes, you and the rest of the people on this
forum have plenty of it too. You had better look within yourselves,
because all of you could use a vast amount of personal improvement.
Also, I know why I get your goat(s). Most of you have such poor self
images that just about any one with a differing point of view would be
threatening.
Ciao,
Mr Akimoto
Chuck Jones
2005-10-18 21:19:37 UTC
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Sufficient reason in my opinion to believe him to be a fraud and liar!
Post by Paul McIntosh
Very true. He would also have earned a lot of disrespect from his
"fellow" aviators with that kind of attitude.
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Post by Chuck Jones
My point was he started flying during Nam. And with his attitude towards
enlisted, i.e. the crowd that packs his chute and maintains his plane, he
would have been the proud recipient of the Navy's version of the frag!
Post by Paul McIntosh
Yea, not too many still flying anything other than cargo at age 50!
Reminds me of the rubber dog sh*t from Top Gun!
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Post by Chuck Jones
Let's see now! Claiming 30 as a Navy pilot followed by 10 as a
contractor starts you in the early 60's. And with your attitude
towards enlisted? No way would you have made it back to the ship every
time! Let alone 30 years.
You're a lying sack of BS
Post by Mr Akimoto
I spent thirty years in the Navy and an additional ten years as a test
pilot for a contractor. Unfortunately, I too am also headed for old
geezer status, but I'm younger at heart than anyone on this forum
including you.
Also it is very nice of you to tolerate the ARF or RTF guys at your
field. I bet everyone loves your condescending attitude. Let's face it
just because you're an old geezer you expect younger people to respect
you for your age, wisdom, knowledge, or whatever quality you think you
have. It won't happen. The younger guy doesn't give a damn about
anything other than himself.
Well you're wrong. When I was a military pilot, every younger fellow
coming aboard was aiming to replace me or get ahead of me. I know that
none or very few of you were in the military and if so, were enlisted.
Being a Naval Aviator was a very tough profession and every performance
review was an opportunity to get booted out of the service. Sometimes I
have regrets about having spent 30 years in the Navy, and I often
wonder how I found the energy and courage to endure the struggle!
Finally regarding attitudes, you and the rest of the people on this
forum have plenty of it too. You had better look within yourselves,
because all of you could use a vast amount of personal improvement.
Also, I know why I get your goat(s). Most of you have such poor self
images that just about any one with a differing point of view would be
threatening.
Ciao,
Mr Akimoto
Stefan Pettersen
2005-10-18 21:57:34 UTC
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Maybe he is just a sad and lonely middelaged geezer... Afraid to become an
old one.
Either that or he has experienced the WORST club in the world, made up of
100+ senior citizens each with their own advice on securing control
clevises.
This has evidently made him mentally unstable and he now believes that he is
a decorated pilot now flying ARF's.

ARF ARF!
Ed Cregger
2005-10-18 22:29:09 UTC
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Post by Stefan Pettersen
Maybe he is just a sad and lonely middelaged geezer... Afraid to become an
old one.
Either that or he has experienced the WORST club in the world, made up of
100+ senior citizens each with their own advice on securing control
clevises.
This has evidently made him mentally unstable and he now believes that he is
a decorated pilot now flying ARF's.
ARF ARF!
Watch how you treat the old farts, sonny. With any luck, you might get to be
one too some day.

Ed Cregger
Bill Sheppard
2005-10-19 01:42:47 UTC
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Post by Ed Cregger
Watch how you treat the old farts, sonny.
Yeah, but we don't spin tall yarns about being ex-Navy pilots and making
ourselves look foolish (for the most part, that is :-)).
Bill(oc)
Ed Cregger
2005-10-19 05:03:16 UTC
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Post by Bill Sheppard
Post by Ed Cregger
Watch how you treat the old farts, sonny.
Yeah, but we don't spin tall yarns about being ex-Navy pilots and making
ourselves look foolish (for the most part, that is :-)).
Bill(oc)
I think we are still safe in that regard.

Akimoto is a young dude, judging by his lack of regard for others and his
classism.

Ed Cregger
Stefan Pettersen
2005-10-19 05:20:51 UTC
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Post by Ed Cregger
Post by Stefan Pettersen
Maybe he is just a sad and lonely middelaged geezer... Afraid to become an
old one.
Either that or he has experienced the WORST club in the world, made up of
100+ senior citizens each with their own advice on securing control
clevises.
This has evidently made him mentally unstable and he now believes that
he
Post by Ed Cregger
Post by Stefan Pettersen
is
a decorated pilot now flying ARF's.
ARF ARF!
Watch how you treat the old farts, sonny. With any luck, you might get to be
one too some day.
Ed Cregger
I was hoping you got the sarcasm Ed :D I appreciate help from people with
experience. This was meant as a jab at Mrs Akimoto.
Ed Cregger
2005-10-19 07:09:52 UTC
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Post by Stefan Pettersen
Post by Ed Cregger
Post by Stefan Pettersen
Maybe he is just a sad and lonely middelaged geezer... Afraid to
become
an
old one.
Either that or he has experienced the WORST club in the world, made up
of
Post by Ed Cregger
Post by Stefan Pettersen
100+ senior citizens each with their own advice on securing control
clevises.
This has evidently made him mentally unstable and he now believes that
he
Post by Ed Cregger
Post by Stefan Pettersen
is
a decorated pilot now flying ARF's.
ARF ARF!
Watch how you treat the old farts, sonny. With any luck, you might get to
be
Post by Ed Cregger
one too some day.
Ed Cregger
I was hoping you got the sarcasm Ed :D I appreciate help from people with
experience. This was meant as a jab at Mrs Akimoto.
I'm kidding you. But I did read it wrong, so to speak.

Ed Cregger
Dave
2005-10-15 12:52:38 UTC
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Ahhhhh... but....
Post by Mr Akimoto
I keep wondering why it's a shame that RCM went out of business? They
didn't change with the times to meet the needs of the modern modeler
who likely isn't into gluing pieces of balsa together. Those who have
such arcane interests are a dying breed any way,
I have a few years remaining....

and it isn't like they
Post by Mr Akimoto
are really being left high and dry without any plan services. There are
still plenty of plans available from places like Cleveland Models.
Agreed.. there are lots, but RCM has/had a great collecton, some
classics.....
Post by Mr Akimoto
Also I wonder why any old time modeler would need a plan service? You'd
think they they'd acquire the knowledge and develop the ability to
design and build without specifications.
We can, and do....


Your "modern modeler" is a "model flyer", NOT a "modeler"..

Few experiences equate to piloting YOUR OWN CREATION on it's first
flight, or winning a contest with it.

Having done both,many times, I envy no other in this sport.....

Simply put, I invest more, I get more out of it.....

Some reading this comment will understand what I am saying... others
never will...

That's OK as well...

YMMV.

Dave
tailskid2
2005-10-14 20:58:53 UTC
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Ah, but with plans, it is SO much easier :)

Jerr

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2005-10-14 21:56:09 UTC
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Post by tailskid2
Ah, but with plans, it is SO much easier :)
Jerry
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I'll bet that I could build a fairly accurate replica of several airplanes,
just from memory and with no plans whatsoever. I'll bet you, and many
others, could too.

Ed Cregger
Bill Sheppard
2005-10-14 22:25:46 UTC
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Post by Ed Cregger
I'll bet that I could build a fairly accurate
replica of several airplanes, just from
memory and with no plans whatsoever.
I'll bet you, and many others, could too.
Check out the 'Batwing' plane. Though not a replica of anything, it was
scratchbuilt from no plans whatsoever, and flies incredibly well.
Http://community-2.webtv.net/oldcoot/TurboTipsyand

One wonders if Mr.Tojimoto can scratchbuild anything, or do signifigant
mods/upgrades to existing models.

Bill(oc)
sfsjkid
2005-10-14 23:44:01 UTC
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I'm no old timer as Mr. Tojimoto puts it, but I got to say being able t
build does have its advantages. How many times have you seen
perfectly good, but slightly damaged plane in the garbage? And at ou
field anyways, one hears the phrase "I wish I could build..." alot.
Besides, for something truely different, one must be able to build fro
plans, or design one from scratch.

So is the RCM plans service still working? I've always wanted a Dirt
Birdy among others in high school, but at that age there were othe
more pressing needs;

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PRose
2005-10-15 15:47:11 UTC
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Post by byrocat
No comments about what happened (a shame but it's a business at the
root).
Are they still taking orders and shipping plans?
As of the middle of September they were. I bought 16 sets of plans just
before the end of the "4 for 3" deal. They made a mistake with one of the
plans, and replaced it. This would take us to the middle or latter part
of September, and there was no hint of anything being wrong with the plan
service at that time.

HTH,
PRose
byrocat
2005-10-17 16:31:21 UTC
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From PRose: As of the middle of September they were. I bought 16 sets
of plans just
before the end of the "4 for 3" deal. They made a mistake with one of
the
plans, and replaced it. This would take us to the middle or latter
part
of September, and there was no hint of anything being wrong with the
plan
service at that time.


Thanks! I did ask when I started the thread that there would be no
sidebar conversations, but no, "Mr. Akimoto" had to insert his
Size-12's into it. (What's Japanese for "troll"?)

I'm now oficially in the "old far*" category, and have quite a
collection of plans (RCM and others) and will definitley be firing off
an order in the next while.

I think that "pride of craftmanship" is a big issue with most of us
OF's. If my building skills were a bit better, I'd brobably not even be
buying kits, just rescuing garbage-can-specials.

Bruce
RCN base-brat, and proud of it!
Fubar of The HillPeople
2005-10-18 00:42:46 UTC
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Oni is devil.
Bacamono (sp) is monster.
Baka is idiot or moron.
Take your pick!
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Red Scholefield
2005-10-18 11:03:33 UTC
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How about Inpo Dani? or simply Dekai guzu.
Post by Fubar of The HillPeople
Oni is devil.
Bacamono (sp) is monster.
Baka is idiot or moron.
Take your pick!
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Take out the "trash" to reply
(What's Japanese for "troll"?)
PRose
2005-10-18 07:08:17 UTC
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Post by byrocat
Thanks! I did ask when I started the thread that there would be no
sidebar conversations, but no, "Mr. Akimoto" had to insert his
Size-12's into it. (What's Japanese for "troll"?)
Yeah, I was looking forward to getting more information about the current
health of RCM Plans (actually, I'm also still hoping the magazine was sold
to a company that will continue it in its old spirit) and it was kind of
distressing to see the thread given over to everybody dog-piling on Mr.
Akimoto.
Post by byrocat
I'm now oficially in the "old far*" category, and have quite a
collection of plans (RCM and others) and will definitley be firing off
an order in the next while.
Let us know how it goes. I didn't think the plans service had closed, but
it would be nice to get a conformation of that.
Post by byrocat
I think that "pride of craftmanship" is a big issue with most of us
OF's. If my building skills were a bit better, I'd brobably not even be
buying kits, just rescuing garbage-can-specials.
I'm getting back in after a 25-year absence and haven't got the slightest
bit of interest in bARFs. It seems as though there are only a handful of
kits left available, so it looks like the RCM plan service will be my only
source of models to build pretty soon (I'm interested in the 40-60 sized
sport and sport scale stuff).
Post by byrocat
Bruce
RCN base-brat, and proud of it!
PRose
Paul McIntosh
2005-10-18 13:08:55 UTC
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There are LOADS of kits available! Just because Tower doesn't carry them
doesn't mean they have disappeared. Look to the smaller ads in the model
magazines for some very well though-out kits. Sig still has a bunch of kits
as does places like Balsa USA and others.
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Post by PRose
Post by byrocat
Thanks! I did ask when I started the thread that there would be no
sidebar conversations, but no, "Mr. Akimoto" had to insert his
Size-12's into it. (What's Japanese for "troll"?)
Yeah, I was looking forward to getting more information about the current
health of RCM Plans (actually, I'm also still hoping the magazine was sold
to a company that will continue it in its old spirit) and it was kind of
distressing to see the thread given over to everybody dog-piling on Mr.
Akimoto.
Post by byrocat
I'm now oficially in the "old far*" category, and have quite a
collection of plans (RCM and others) and will definitley be firing off
an order in the next while.
Let us know how it goes. I didn't think the plans service had closed, but
it would be nice to get a conformation of that.
Post by byrocat
I think that "pride of craftmanship" is a big issue with most of us
OF's. If my building skills were a bit better, I'd brobably not even be
buying kits, just rescuing garbage-can-specials.
I'm getting back in after a 25-year absence and haven't got the slightest
bit of interest in bARFs. It seems as though there are only a handful of
kits left available, so it looks like the RCM plan service will be my only
source of models to build pretty soon (I'm interested in the 40-60 sized
sport and sport scale stuff).
Post by byrocat
Bruce
RCN base-brat, and proud of it!
PRose
Ed Paasch
2005-10-19 01:46:12 UTC
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Post by Paul McIntosh
There are LOADS of kits available! Just because Tower doesn't carry them
doesn't mean they have disappeared. Look to the smaller ads in the model
magazines for some very well though-out kits. Sig still has a bunch of
kits as does places like Balsa USA and others.
Actually, Tower Hobbies carries a couple of hundred different kits,
including some Tower Hobbies brand kits. You can find kits from Great
Planes (naturally), SIG, Lanier, Midwest Products Co., Top Flight, Carl
Goldberg, and House of Balsa all at Tower Hobbies.

Love Tower or hate Tower, they aren't the Anti-Christ of the R/C airplane
hobby. Even kit builders might find something to their liking at
http://www.towerhobbies.com
Paul McIntosh
2005-10-19 06:12:39 UTC
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What I meant by that is even if you can't find something you like at Tower,
that doesn't mean there aren't other sources a little off the beaten path.
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"when steel just isn't enough"
Post by Ed Paasch
Post by Paul McIntosh
There are LOADS of kits available! Just because Tower doesn't carry them
doesn't mean they have disappeared. Look to the smaller ads in the model
magazines for some very well though-out kits. Sig still has a bunch of
kits as does places like Balsa USA and others.
Actually, Tower Hobbies carries a couple of hundred different kits,
including some Tower Hobbies brand kits. You can find kits from Great
Planes (naturally), SIG, Lanier, Midwest Products Co., Top Flight, Carl
Goldberg, and House of Balsa all at Tower Hobbies.
Love Tower or hate Tower, they aren't the Anti-Christ of the R/C airplane
hobby. Even kit builders might find something to their liking at
http://www.towerhobbies.com
Red Scholefield
2005-10-18 10:49:23 UTC
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Post by PRose
Yeah, I was looking forward to getting more information about the current
health of RCM Plans (actually, I'm also still hoping the magazine was sold
to a company that will continue it in its old spirit)
I'm afraid the "old spirit" after the Don and Dick were out of the picture
was what finally killed the magazine. I expect the Plans will continue to
be available one way or another, there are too many $$ to be made to just
dump them.
Post by PRose
Post by byrocat
I think that "pride of craftmanship" is a big issue with most of us
OF's. If my building skills were a bit better, .
I'm getting back in after a 25-year absence and haven't got the slightest
bit of interest in bARFs. It seems as though there are only a handful of
kits left available, so it looks like the RCM plan service will be my only
source of models to build pretty soon (I'm interested in the 40-60 sized
sport and sport scale stuff).
ARFs give you a way to stay in the air while you are building a real model,
scratch, plans or kit. The good news is that there seem to be a number of
people cutting kits from the plan of your choice. RCM plans service would be
missed but the AMA collection, now including the John Ponds plans, along
with Bill Northrups plans and a number of others, MAN and Flying Models
should give us quite a bit to pick from.
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retiredVTT
2005-10-16 19:25:50 UTC
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Re..RCM plan service ...

Plans ordered 10/14/05..
.automatic reply email received stating order had been received..
.time will tell,

Bill

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Howard Sullivan
2005-10-18 22:18:47 UTC
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On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:25:50 -0500, retiredVTT
Post by retiredVTT
Re..RCM plan service ...
Plans ordered 10/14/05..
.automatic reply email received stating order had been received..
.time will tell,
Billl
I ordered plans of Der Jager October 6 and got them October 17.
Martin X. Moleski, SJ
2005-10-19 02:19:19 UTC
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On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:18:47 -0500, Howard Sullivan
Post by Howard Sullivan
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:25:50 -0500, retiredVTT
Post by retiredVTT
Re..RCM plan service ...
Plans ordered 10/14/05..
.automatic reply email received stating order had been received..
.time will tell,
Billl
I ordered plans of Der Jager October 6 and got them October 17.
Thanks for sharing the good news.

I oughta get some plans orders in for future reference.

Marty
Andrew Batts
2005-10-27 21:36:04 UTC
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I ordered 4 plans from RCM on October 5 and received them on the 24th --
all were the newer blackline prints, not the older blueline. RCM has been
running a 4 for 3 promotion -- order at least 4 plans the get the least
expensive plan for free. Although the promotion was to have expired in
August, I ordered by phone and asked if it were still being honored -- at
the time, it was, but you must ask for it. So, I ordered 4 and paid for 3.
retiredVTT
2005-11-16 20:46:16 UTC
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I also ordered 4 for 3 in October with delivery to Canada about 16 day
later in early November ...now building "Stubby" from a Sig Seniorit
kit ...

.they sure have built up a valuable library of plans over 40 years..

Bil

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2005-11-16 21:44:44 UTC
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http://www.rcmmagazine.com/e/env/0001wWUK1OuDOsIhiU8z0O6/index.html?link=/index.html

The explanation is here...the magazine IS FOR SALE...the plans and boo
department is running AS NORMAL .....

Bil

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Post by retiredVTT
http://www.rcmmagazine.com/e/env/0001wWUK1OuDOsIhiU8z0O6/index.html?lin
k=/index.html
The explanation is here...the magazine IS FOR SALE...the plans and
book department is running AS NORMAL .....
Bill
I just recieved some plans today. 4 for the price of 3. All blue line
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Otakar
2013-01-23 00:34:11 UTC
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I ordered a set of plans at the end of November of last year and stil
have not seen them. January is almost over. I finally got hold of som
woman over there after attempting to call for over two weeks multipl
times a day. than on the 8th 9th and 10th I called every hour an
finally got a pickup. The woman was shocked that the plans were not sen
yet and that she will send them out the same day. Well that was on th
10th, it is now the 22nd and still no plans. They are in busines
alright, they'l take your money but not send you anything i
return.:(:censored::mad::mad: I used to order a lot from them and ha
the plans in a week or so. Yes they are around but must be going unde
bigtime

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tailskid2
2005-11-16 22:23:06 UTC
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But HOW LONG does it take to purchase a magazine?

Jerr

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2005-11-16 22:58:18 UTC
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....just long enough to get your asking price, and not a day longer..!

Bil

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tailskid2
2013-01-23 02:45:45 UTC
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They still owe me BIG Bucks for my column:

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2013-01-23 18:22:24 UTC
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I haven't looked in here for many moons. Now that I have I see verbatim the thread from RCG. Sheesh!

Regarding the attitude that RCM plans don't matter: For no other reason than historical record it should matter to us all. While there are several individuals and the AMA who have archived many plans, they can't cover them all, especially if they're still copyrighted. Pulling copyrighted plans off the market diminishes our choices as well as model aviation history.

Regarding building as opposed to buying: Those who build have a hobby; those who fly have a sport. Those who do both have both. Most builders openly welcome new materials and techniques. Balsa-only types forget that there was a time when models were constructed of bamboo and rice paper, or cardboard and pine during WWII. And don't forget that many a model has proven a concept for a full-scale airplane. You can't often do that with pre-made sporting goods!

However you build, if you let the curiosity - the "what if?" spirit die, you diminish what it is to be human. That's the true cost of losing modeling as a hobby.

Geoff Sanders, semi-old fart
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Post by byrocat
No comments about what happened (a shame but it's a business at the
root).
Are they still taking orders and shipping plans?
I wouldn't order SHIT from this company. anymore...RCM....What a scam. I
ordered plans 6-14-2014 and still no product, no refund, no credit to
account. No communication. Can't get in to their websites......Think I
got royaly F****ed. I will be filing a class-action law suit against them.


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